Week 7 and 8 Notes Fairy Tales of Germany
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Mondav Notes Hansel and Gretel and Little Red Cap review main points red suggests passion Freudian interpretations red as menstrual blood or asking for it in rape Charles Perrault French salon era writer added the red cap The Maiden Without Hands make code p 159 is a great cheat sheet for midterm p 161 pop psychology had been fascinated by interpreting fairy tales How would the Grimms react to knowing that their tales are the basis for so many pop psychology interpretations They did not want them to be used for pop psychology but rather to collect the heritage of German folktales and culture to make German identity also to the tales into a guidebook for children for basic rules and how to be social p 167 p 168169 Quotation from a scholar about thinking about the psychological ideas and also the sociohistorical background the two versions In second one she gets the silver hands in the first one she marries the son and in the second she marries the king in the second one the angels were added in the first she eats the apple from the ground and in the second she ate the pear from the tree she was in a lower more vulnerable place in the first one also has to tend the chickens more self reliant in the first one women s hands are popular in folklore parallels between themetized women s hands in Frozen and Grimms The Maiden without Hands elsa given gloves by father maiden given silver hands fur deine Madchen ohne Hande Danken gern zwei Madchenhande sent to Grimms by a reader stitched bookmark illustrator would not depict the maiden without hands because friendly book for kids First edition told version of the tale in 1811 by Marie Hassen ug 18 13 Dorthea Viehmann tells the Grimms her version no devil but father cuts off daughter s hands and breasts when she refuses to marry him Second Edition The Grimms graft H s intro onto the body of V s tale and make some other changes substitutions in second edition thinks the apple tree is behind the building but it is his daughter mother replaces eyes and tongue with that of a doe deVil swaps the letters changling child of a dwarf or elf swapped for human child took intro from Hassen ug s tale and D Viehmann s body plus other changes this is actually about the abuse of a child by her father Freudian interpretation that she has an electra complex Oedipus complex for a girl punishment of herself for such lustful thoughts clearly about a fathers incest and abuse of his daughter All Fur no incest because does not actually marry her father lacking some Violence mother dies and tells husband that if he has to remarry that she must be as beautiful as her and have hair as gold as hers and the only one that looked like her was their daughter Interpreting The Maiden Without Hands Review problems with Dundee s interpretation freudian takes out the fact that the father abused her interpreted as the girl who desires her father electra complex and punishes herself for these taboo thoughts It is actually a tale of abuse of a girl by her father Zipes s interpretation criticized the above changes Wilhelm Grimm made to the tale contamination gentle reshaping for organic wholeness but Maiden Without Hands is more out and paste and changes the whole meaning Wilhelm inserts Christian values Daniel interprets this tale through a Jungian lens symbolic attitude symbols can never be exhausted archetypes gives several amplifications ON MIDTERM if Jung were to look at a particular tale vs Freud basic strategies symbolsjung oedipus Freud Be able to say what a FT psychologist would think about a tale he does not go back and look at the history of the tale you have to do your hw about when that entered the tale might not be in the first edition Interprets through sometimes a 1950 s lens Prof thinks better interpretation less misogynistic one of the few interpretations that pays attention to the male figures The Juniper Tree 47 child abuse Mom dies after asking for a child as white as snow as red as blood and is buried under Juniper tree step mom kills him blames it on the daughter cuts child up and cooks him in the stew and serves the stew to the family tale starts with images of red and white peeling an apple white snow red blood Jacob Grimm found a lot of midieval texts with red white and black symbolism these colors are so prominent in these tales about women asking for a child blood bone sinewrelated it to creation from the body the Devil made me do it the devil possess the mother descent into madness the son who turns into a bird after he is killed magically and he takes revenge As he sings his song he receives a millstone red slippers and rebirth as a human boy after he kills the mother Jack Zipes points out that if you get too abstract yes they do have symbolism in interpretations you miss that tales have so much to do with powerful social issues at the time Cinderella Aschenputtel 21 pg 79 start with biological mother riches to rags to riches mirrors Grimm s own life trajectory biological mother tells daughter to be pious Colors in Cinderella gold silver and white also in maiden without hands gold and silver have a connotation of close to the divine or protected by the divine also represents worth clear fairy tale patterns number three seven archetypes child abuse Differences between this and Perrault no fairy godmother Wilhelm added the pecking out of the eyes not same standards about editing out violence he added this to add disproportionate punishment if you are bad also there is disproportionate reward if you are good if you are altruistic as a woman father says cinderella dead wife s daughter is deformed when the stepsisters were the ones who were actually deformed cut off toes and heel direct speech in cinderella female direct speech decreased and male speech increases as Wilhelm edits men become more active and female less active Oneeyes Twoeyes Three eyes Einauglein Zweiauglein und Drieauglein Cinderella variant she was normal and the family didn t like her because she was normal and they were not bad characters linked with deformity good are beautiful and normal TwoEyes is cunning sings her sisters to sleep not typically a character trait by a Grimm female character kind of rare also she is the middle child not typical usually the youngest She is associated with gold gold and silver for good character twoeyes is pious direct example so hungry but she still says a short prayer parallels between this and Juniper Tree kills the goat abuse from event of killing something happens at the end the two sisters do not have their eyes pecked out difference between this tale and cinderella the doves in cinderella divine justice christian symbol do the deed Cinderella does not take it into her own hands to punish her sisters waits for judgement of God Pious The Virgin Mary s Child Marienkind 3 Early tale virgin Mary adopts the daughter from a poor family not allowed to look into the last door she was struck mute lots of mute females not common male muteness also females get put into coma state more although not always punishments make women less active prohibition transgression punishment redemption accused of being an ogress will not confess to the virgin mary only after she has refused four times going to be burned at the stake disproportionate punishment The Stubborn Child 117 super short pg387 disproportionate punishment stubborn child was allowed to become sick by god even beyond the grave you will be punished stubborn even when dead Mother Trudy first sentence girl called stubborn and curious does not obey goes to mother trudy witchike figure gir turned into a block of wood and burned in a fire disproportionate punishment don t go to Mother Trudy s house does wicked things you will not be our child if you do may have been a homosexual interpretation don t become a lesbian normative none of the disproportionate punishment from the Grimm s is unique to them during the 19th century it was all part and parcel of how to raise children at the time For Example Illustrations from Der Sfruwwepefer German text cautionary tales for children teaches correct behaviors Rapunzel Folklore base with idea that if you don t satisfy a pregnant woman s desires she will die Rapunzel trans gressed when she lets the prince into her room Freudians link the crossing of the barrier of garden and going into it to sex Critics compare this tale to others in which women must be separated from everyone until ready to be married off Original Italian version of tale had to do with sex in the tower Rapunzel lettuce secluded to grow and so is Rapunzel She had children twins and the prince found them eventually Archetypes maiden in distress hero prince eVil old woman Symbols parsley or rapunzel the hair blindness Brier Rose Communism and old Germany usage of the tale political The baby pays for the lack of the thirteenth plate similar to Green Serpent Symbols the spindle the hedge To Freudians the prick of the finger would be reference to losing her virginity Idea that we need to protect women until they are ready to be married locked in tower or put in deep sleep Archetypes old wise woman who was spinning the hero prince The parents were not there on her fifteenth birthday and that does not make any sense The paragraph at the end of page 172 was added completely by Wilhelm Grimm In the Grimms version the prince just gets lucky with timing so he did not get impaled by the hedge She awoke when he kissed her but she would have woken up anyways in the Grimm tale Snow White Also no kiss that awakens Snow White It was total luck that the coffin was jerked and the poisoned apple comes out of her throat The colors red white and black Jacob Grimm called them the three colors of poetry Death of the biological mother Nod to cannibalism Juniper Tree has the three colors too Archetypes biological mother not important dumb young beautiful princess helpers dwarves evil stepmother Numbers three and seven are referenced repeatedly Harsh punishment for the evil queen Spinning and Fairy Tales Rumpelstiltskin Rumpelstilzchen Read two versions pre 1810 and after 1815 lots of changes lots of ways to analyze lots of challenges early version never published spinning so vital for peasant societies constantly spinning to make all own fibers ability to spin is more valuable than gold first edition can only spin gold not flax second version cannot spin at all she cries male figures want the commoditygold flax greed she values life baby her own a good woman knows how to spin symbolizes the domestic sphere of life Grimm opinion of spinning not as highly valued in it of itself did not fully understand value of spinning outside of domestic sphere because with industrialization changing roles for women possibly why Wilhelm changed the tale so much rise of the middle class women did not have to spin as much mechanized spinning early version queen sends out female maid second version male servant role of the number three is far more prominent in second edition Hallmark of the style Dwarves in folklore depicted as mining metals association with precious metals Rumpel is a dual presence both helper figure and villain in the tale Rumpenstunzchen maiden without a father who spins flax into gold agrees to conditions R sets sends out female servant to solve name riddle Flies away on a cooking spoon girl has more agency Rumpelstiltskin poor miller boats about daughter lies she suffers for it daughter threatened by king has little choice but to accept R s bargain spin or die Sends out male messenger R tears himself in two Names in Rumpelstiltskin Rumpelstilzchen name in German does this havek a meaning Kasper Melchoir Balzer names of three wise men Rippenbiest Hammelswade Schnurbein references to disease deformity What do these incorrect guesses say about the miller s daughterqueen the power of the name Wilhelm Grimm added in trios of names with guesses she is first hoping he is a benevolent figure 3 wise men and second are about disease fear he will be a villain Themes motifs issues in Rumpelstiltskin decep on commoditiescommodification bargains motherhood biblical references references to disease deformity Wilhelm s sickness death of his infant son dwarfs in fairy tales ls Rumpelstiltskin a tale about The Name of the helper as it has typically been classified probably just a riddle appended to the tale such riddles often told in spinning parlors The control over spinning and the value of spinning perhaps the original intent of the tale For the Grimms a tale about women s place as nurturing mothers The preservation of life Recitation Throughout the entire class spinning has been important in tales Why do women want to get out of having to spin View of spinning changed through time women did not want to spin but Wilhelm Grimm found it to be an honorable thing for a woman to know how to do
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