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Weekly Notes (Oct5-9)

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Weekly Notes (Oct5-9) pols 2310

Introduction to politics
Webking, Robert H

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Introduction to politics
Webking, Robert H
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Date Created: 10/11/15
Notes Week Oct 59 justice requires a valid reason to violate the law but public opinion can be corrupted without reason Public opinion is not based on study or knowledge of justice It can39t distinguish from good or badright or wrong therefore we don39t know if our actions are correct or not because it is not backed up by a valid source only luck pubic opinion is useless because it acts randomly according to Socrates While the law is based on knowledge about justice good and bad Premise establishing common ground for argument It is never righteous to harm those who harmed us in order to repay that injustice Don39t avenge yourself with injustice One should abide through a quotjust agreementquot Technical de nition ofjustice Escaping Without the state 5 consent constitutes in injuring those Who ought not to be injured individuals who follow the laws or violating the just agreements breaking the law Big problem if Crito wants to be a good friend he needs to understand Socrates Socrates has knowledge about justice and laws quotif Crito wants to be a good friend he needs to understand justice and laws Socrates wants to help An intermediary is necessary someone in betweenquot to make wisdom about justice useful for ordinary people Laws are the intermediate characterized that serve as the knowledge about justice The intermediate will help Crito understand Socrates What is justice 1 Don39t harm the community and its individuals 2 Keep your contracts Therefore if Socrates escapes he will 1 harm the community and 2 will break the law Disobedience destroying the law Through Socrates Plato gives the argument that laws are responsible for birth he wouldn39t be who he is without the laws Even if not perfect laws are responsible for education and quality of life imperfect laws can still bene t people in some ways Yet he never says anarchy is the greatest evil but it is still bad Because order is crucial for human ful llment Laws still make mistakes and can be persuaded things that can be persuaded are things with reason aws rules with reason Has Socrates agreed to obey the community claims that they gave him everything they could have even the last option of leaving choose to bene t from the law obligated to obey it Crito amp Socrates never disagreed in the abstract meaning of law because Crito didn39t understand it Laws prevent the individuals to be the best they could be but they also allow them to participate in the community Has Socrates agreed to obey quotDid I made an agreementquot Yes he did In the Crito breaking the law is always unjust because it 1 harms people and 2 violates contract Socrates would have thought that Antigone was unjust Harm who Crito and most people who need help deciding what to do in speci c s ua ons Where would you get help Pubic opinion Not based in knowledge Socrates wisdom Can39t understand him and not an everlasting source because he is going to died in a few days Crito39s own understanding Not always adequate people are biased on their own cases and blinded by their own interests Only laws work on this case it is knowledge about what is good and helpful to ordinary people Crito can be as good as the laws lead him to be but not more


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