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In the Lagrangian formalism, a coordinate q, is ignorable

Chapter 13, Problem 13.22

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In the Lagrangian formalism, a coordinate \(q_{i}\), is ignorable if \(\partial \mathcal{L} / \partial q_{i}=0\); that is, if \(\mathcal{L}\) is independent of \(q_{i}\). This guarantees that the momentum \(p_{i}\), is constant. In the Hamiltonian approach, we say that \((q_{i}\), is ignorable if \(\mathcal{H}\) is independent of \((q_{i}\), and this too guarantees \(p_{i}\) is constant. These two conditions must be the same, since the result \(" p_{i}=\text { const" }\) is the same either way. Prove directly that this is so, as follows:

(a) For a system with one degree of freedom, prove that \(\partial \mathcal{H} / \partial q=-\partial \mathcal{L} / \partial q\) starting from the expression (13.14) for the Hamiltonian. This establishes that \(\partial \mathcal{H} / \partial q=0\) if and only if \(\partial \mathcal{L} / \partial q=0\).

(b) For a system with n degrees of freedom, prove that \(\partial \mathcal{H} / \partial q_{i}=-\partial \mathcal{L} / \partial q_{i}\) starting from the expression (13.24).

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QUESTION:

In the Lagrangian formalism, a coordinate \(q_{i}\), is ignorable if \(\partial \mathcal{L} / \partial q_{i}=0\); that is, if \(\mathcal{L}\) is independent of \(q_{i}\). This guarantees that the momentum \(p_{i}\), is constant. In the Hamiltonian approach, we say that \((q_{i}\), is ignorable if \(\mathcal{H}\) is independent of \((q_{i}\), and this too guarantees \(p_{i}\) is constant. These two conditions must be the same, since the result \(" p_{i}=\text { const" }\) is the same either way. Prove directly that this is so, as follows:

(a) For a system with one degree of freedom, prove that \(\partial \mathcal{H} / \partial q=-\partial \mathcal{L} / \partial q\) starting from the expression (13.14) for the Hamiltonian. This establishes that \(\partial \mathcal{H} / \partial q=0\) if and only if \(\partial \mathcal{L} / \partial q=0\).

(b) For a system with n degrees of freedom, prove that \(\partial \mathcal{H} / \partial q_{i}=-\partial \mathcal{L} / \partial q_{i}\) starting from the expression (13.24).

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Part (a)

The Hamilton as a function of the position and time is given by,

\(H(q, p)=\dot{p q}(q, p)-L[q, \dot{q}(q, p)]\)

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